Grudem and Piper Discuss Necessity of Baptism for Church Membership

Is baptism by immersion (upon profession of faith in Christ) necessary for church membership? Does excluding someone from church membership amount to a de facto excommunication in terms of how the person is treated? A revision in Wayne Grudem’s Systematic Theology has generated some serious discussion between John Piper and Grudem. Justin Taylor drew attention to this matter at at his blog. Piper’s thoughts are here and Grudem’s response is here.


Concerning this issue, Southern Seminary has some relevant audio:

Also, I was listening to Dever today on John L. Dagg (from a conference in which he also spoke on Bunyan), and he referenced Dagg’s Manual of Church Order as a good resource for dealing with this issue.

UPDATE: This really generated a good bit of discussion! I’m glad Justin Taylor kept track of it. You can follow the discussion here, and you might also be interested in this recent book on believer’s baptism, edited by Tom Schreiner and Shawn Wright.

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